We Want Suggestion on Teak Wine Togo, Making Progress


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We Want Suggestion on Teak Wine Togo, Making Progress


JamesMontgomery

Why not wax it with a very very (one more very) small amount of car wax. The paste type.
Let the wood speak for itsself. Let it be what it is. No icing.


JamesMontgomery

Turtle carnauba wax 14 oz $3.56 a can at Sears, would go a long long way. Have seen for less at Walmart.


Gadget

Yes, I think this may be the best option for a sealant, a way to stop the water from entering, or leaving the wood too much. I know the wax would make is look beautiful. I will spend a hour reading about oil, wax on woods. I have read quite a bit about Teak Oil, and many furniture companies debate on whether good, or bad. We need to include directions on how to maintain this special wood.

I am quite frustrated with
CITES,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CITES
and
FSC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Stewardship_Council

I suspect the big plantation owners, and governments are creating endless rules of controls. The plantations do not want the small, home grown tree growers to compete. The government wants people to pay to get around their rules.

In Togo, they need to stop planting Teak, it is mono-cropping, every Tom, Dick, and Harry plants a Teak tree, the whole country appears to be going way out of balance for variety of trees. I discovered some Ebony yesterday, and will go plant Ebony, and Mohogany, and probably not plant Teak, I will also plant Neem, This is super easy in reality, the owners of property want seeds, and will plant anything special that is free. I will make videos for fun.

I think the best trees to harvest here in Togo, are the ones grown by little old ladies, and men behind their house. On a regular basis, the chain saw operators pay them nothing for their trees, while the plantation owners maximize profits.


Woodweb is a site that comes up often on searches, when I am researching lumber, etc. I finally joined, but hard to use, I think they stop IP address in Africa, sort of humorous.
http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Finishing_a_Teak_Table.html


JamesMontgomery

I was thinking any thing that could protect a car from UV light and still keep shinning after running it though a car wash 30 time had to be good stuff.,

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Car Wax Applied to Interior Wood Furnitures
along with auto painting/detailing, i am also a woodworker. paste wax has been used for centuries as a finishing material itself and a finish protector. If used properly, paste wax will provide a thin, hard, lasting finish. Waxes dry hard so they do not smear and attract dust and dirt. Paste waxing typically lasts 3-5 years, depending on how much the furniture is used and how many coats are applied. Table tops and chair arms are an exception, generally needing to be waxed once a year, due to the extra wear they receive. Many people, especially antique lovers, prefer the soft sheen provided by paste wax. Also, waxes do not interfere with future refinishing like silicone polishes most often do. Paste wax is hard work. It will take 4-6 hours to paste wax a dining room set and if done properly will not need waxing again for years. It requires effort, but you won't obtain a more durable, beautiful protection than paste wax. Remember, the wax protects the finish, the finish protects the wood. To dust or clean, just wipe with a soft damp, lint free cloth.


WalkingStick

If you are going to suggest that the bottle carriers be stacked, on their sides or along a wall there should be grooves ( locking channels) or latches or some way to lock them together so they are less likely to fall down or apart. That's my suggestion.


Gadget

WalkingStick, the idea of grooves is great. I stacked two, and know that people would not be happy if they slid off, and broke the bottles, etc. "Form follows function,' is one of my favorite quotes. Make it function, do its purpose, there are two major goals here, maybe three, actually many.. hehehe

1. A way to carry 2 nice bottle of wine somewhere, probably to the Table, or the party, using style, and taste, more or less a great to wine, and dine your mate..

2. To allow a person to stack 2-5 on top of a counter, to make a small wine rack, but also allow the person to pull off the rack, and carry 2 bottles easily. (I know we can add glasses) They can also make a wall of wine.

3. Create true image of Africa, i.e. Togo that is of something beside just ugly, poor, or other ways the Aid organizations frame Africa to suck donations. The true image of Africa is they have some really great things here, Teak, Mohogany and workers who can do great work, they are not all poor, that is really just silly. Poverty in Manila Philippines is 100 times worst than most of Africa.

We are going to have the person who made the specific wine tote sign it, label it, and we will include a photo of the cabinet maker, signed, and hopefully a way for people to send a thank you. This is the hope to generate a sense of pride in work, different than their pride here in Togo. We can encourage excellence, and hopefully we can lead Togo to manufacture furniture at the level of Sweden, Denmark, Germany, the best of the best, etc.

Now, how to make the groove function, and have a good form, good look, that is stylish, fashionable, people that buy this want to make their home wonderful.
Andy


Gadget

Thanks Laura, I need to figure this out, we are trying to get the wood moisture down to 7-8 percent. Maybe I can get is lower, It is my belief, that if we get it down to 5-8 percent, then it will always remain stable in a heat home in the USA, but I need to talk to a wood expert, and most wood experts, are not wood experts. LOL


Gadget

WalkingStick, I think the Wax is super idea. Maybe I can do this, include the wax in with the wine tote... Hmm, I am going to get bad reviews on Amazon when they never do what they need to do. I guess, I must make a decision, but I think a wax finish is good. A man did this with some type of wax here yesterday, but lost in translation between Ewe, and crap French. I will try to suss out Wax here. I am not sure if they do this to car, there is no Walmart, etc... hehehe


JamesMontgomery

I was thinking about the tops of the carrier being made to look even more like wine bottle tops. Me I like it the way it is. More detail in one area leaves the rest wanting.

About stain, I have thought of stain as a way to make cheaper wood to look upgrade Here with this project you are starting off with top grade, why go anywhere else.


Gadget

I believe you are probably correct, the top may not look good when designed like a wine bottle. Yet, we are making prototypes, and this allows the cabinet man to have some pride, or play. Yesterday, I had the words LE VIN carve on both ends of one of the wine totes. I am not debating between Le Vin and LA VIN, and the width of the characters. You are correct on the type of wood, and stain, it would be sort of sad to stain it. We are considering, we can cut a center section out of the Grume (log) and this is the heartwood, and more red in color. Actually, I suspect the mahogany is going to be a better wood, but more scarce.


GregFerguson

Hey Andy, Can you make one that is Flat on one side where I can hang it on the wall? Like the top handle, instead of centered, have it tword the back where I can hang it on the wall? ~ Ill buy one !~


Gadget

Greg, as I understand wine, the bottle is suppose to lie on its side, so the cork does not dry out, and cause disflavor. Therefore the function would demaind I turn the bottle on side, however, here is a rack that hangs on the wall. We can make anything, but doubt we will sell anything unless we make 50, although economies of scale so far does not work in Africa yet, they just do not understand mass production, it is an unknown concept among workers, maybe the know, but they do not understand why. www.amazon.com/Turnbull-FarmsTM-Upcycled-Holders-unfinished/dp/B00N02IM96


GregFerguson

That makes perfect Sense! okay scratch the wall idea haha I am screwing up then standing them up in the refrigerator then! oops


Gadget

You reminded me, I need to put this Tote in the Fridge, and see how it reacts. Maybe in the freezer, we are doing so much to stop water percentages.


GregFerguson

Good idea my bottles condensate also in the fridge ~


AlwaysRt

I used Cabot stain on the wood privacy fences I had installed. It sealed the wood enough to prevent the grey oxidation of the wood while letting the wood breathe, not completely sealing it like paint.


Gadget

I can dry the wood down to 8 percent, the have them make the Wine tote, and about 10 other products. Then, I can seal it, which would keep water from entering, or leaving. This is the problem, joints may not survive well on a container ship for 1.5 months. If you look at teak outdoor furniture, it is not full of joints, the ends of the 1x2 boards enter the side of another, to pull apart is difficult. A table top could develop cracks where glued together. This is why the small products, keep it simple, until this is debugged.

Cabot


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