Lake Atitlan Great for Alcoholics Bad for Staying Sober


Gadget

Lake Atitlan Great for Alcoholics Bad for Staying Sober


Dave Kellar

Please show us the coffee clutch sometime.
Thanks Andy.


DebV

Yea, please catch a clip of the coffee clutch or some passed out expat on the floor or the curb. I've seen it in Mexico where people step carefully over the passed out man whose body is blocking the doorway entrance to the busy store.


Gadget

I know and can empathize with all of you wanting to see the coffee group I attend daily. Yet, most expats are extremely independent, do not believe anybody has a right to interfere with their pursuit of X... (something), so it is like asking them to all in concert to be angry with me to show the group. And, like most groups I am member of, I do not want to be a member, and they do not want me to be a member of this group, we just assemble by accident of nature, time, and location. I show a few friends, normally I interview people that are like large groups. I will ask them, but really do not want the anger, resentment, and re-thinking of putting groups on camera. There is nothing sane, congruent, and Magnanimous about this group. What is GREAT, extremely different about the USA groups is all of these people are free to do what they want to do all day, and are not saying, "I am too busy." Few people say this here, and do not come up with tons of things they have to do, nobody has to take care of a house. The ones that have houses on Lake Atitlan are not capable of talking.... LOL Really, I do not talk with people who buy houses or own house abroad they are too busy talking to their house.


BruceB

Andy: I have a friend who has been a recovering alcoholic for many years. She is recently retired and she and her husband live in San Juan La Laguna year-round now. If you send me a private message, I can give you a name and email. Maybe it would be good to have someone to talk to who is not as "crazy" as the people you describe.


Gadget

I try my best to only talk with the sane part of other people, and minimize the crazy sides. (I admit, I like crazy girls.) All people are human, we all have weakness, and strength, and can fail, and succeed, this is humility, to admit we are human. It is my responsibility to talk the sane part of other humans, and to encourage others to find clarity, and serenity. I cannot change people, places and things, I can only change myself, and my pants. I am 60 years old, I am extremely grateful for being sober for 28 years, my life is perfect, I have learned to navigate and live with the people of the planet, and to accept them, and not try to change them. To embrace the idea, that we cannot change others is freedom, when we accept this, and stop life is truly great, we can be friends with anyone. People sort of misunderstand me, I travel, I move from place to place, all of them are good, some a little better than others. I am not here promoting Lake Aitlan, I just say it is 1 of 100 that are fun to hang out at, here is the list of 100. Travel does not make a person a better person, but inactivity is a killer, we all need to move about, stay active, keep the blood pumping, and travel is always new ideas. Travel destroys a lot of peoples minds, too much freedom and they lose the plot http://www.hobotraveler.com/about/list-of-all-domains-being-managed-by-hobotraveler-com.php


DebV

Hi Andy. Above you state, "Travel destroys a lot of peoples minds, too much freedom and they lose the plot" Can you please elaborate on this a bit? Are you saying that travel makes a lot of people go crazy from having too much freedom? What is "the plot"? People's former routines or their former social structures/constraints prior to them traveling? Are you referring mostly to expats?


Gadget

Routine patterns, and work keep people stable, when they have too much time, they often lose the plot. A good life is really just sort of normal, we wake up ,we work, we talk with spouse have two children, buy a house, all these activities are the plot for a normal life. When we stop having our live achored in normal cultures, and we start exploring, people get caught up in all sort of mischief. Drinking, drugs, prostitutes, searching for the ultimate whatever, they dress and behave in ways that never can fit into the USA again, or almost any culture, they lost the plot. Friend, and work associates put pressure on people to say in the groove, maybe 10-20 percent cannot thrive without this type of metal stabilizing force. Travel is an adventure, and not everyone benefits, just look at the life of Rock Singers, they can so about anything, and often they lose the plot, they lose their grounding, their desire for a normal life. I live a normal life, dress rather normal, read book, and am on solid, stable enough to go to 107 countries, and for 18 years, there is a reason very few stray that far from home, it is easy to get off the track, forget family, friends, and the way life was normal. But, going and hanging out, maybe living in 5 separate locations, anywhere including the USA can open a persons eyes, and create empathy, intuition, and understanding. We send kids to University, 25 percent of Indiana University students flunk out, this is not good for the soul, failure to thrive eats at people, divorce damages a brain, freedom is also dangerous.


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