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Now that I have pissed off all the Expats.
Now that I have pissed off all the people that love the Philippines.
Understand, I love the Philippines, I have come here 6 times or more, it is
TEN TIME MORE FUN THAN THE USA.
But, I am an honest type guy, I would be lying if I told you this place was cheap, and the scams are rampant.
15,000 Pesos is about 30 US Dollars.
Bjorn them man I interviewed in Manila was paying 700 or about 14 last week when i seen him again. The longer you stay in a city or hotel the cheaper you pay. He knows he can move to a room for 300 per day, he wants that Hotel, Plus all the extra cost disappear when you do not move, taxis, buses, going into an expensive restaurant.
You are working, you do not have a choice, this is what the Philippines does not understand, Tourist have a choice and do not come here because Thailand is half the price of the Philippines.
The Philippines Hotels are often full because of what I think is immigration from the provinces to big cities like Manila. Manila does not have enough hotels and the price inflates. Truly there is about zero reason to stay in Manila.
I have the money, I can afford to stay in Manila.
A Traveler or long-term tourist has a budget, the expensive and the cheap hotels balance out, I can pay 25 dollars for a week in Manila, the live for free here for a week in Baguio, the average would be 12.50 per day.
I always try to pay 10 U.S. Dollars per day, if I am not paying that in a developing country I know I am getting raped by some stupid reasons of the country.
A person can get a Transient room here in Baguio for say 50 dollars per month, or 100.
I think 95 percent of Philippines people live in Transient or Bedspacer, this is the secret housing of the Philippines. In the Philippines workers move around constantly, this country is overpopulated and they are all moving to the cities.
This causes the prices of all regular Hotels to go up. I think in a way the owners of hotels are like Europe, they all stop new hotels from being built so their prices rise. The free competition system does not function.... HOWEVER it truly does, there is Transient Rooms in all cities in the Philippines.
The guidebooks are failures in the Philippines.
Andy Graham, HoboTraveler.com in Baguio 2009
You do not have to pay for expensive rooms.
It is your choice.
A person needs to have high esteem, fight off all the crazy comments by travelers. I live 10 times better than other traveler around me.
I do not choose a holel because it will increase my social status, I stay in a Hotel because it gives me the bundle of services and benefits I need.
Get Internet in the room, and I am in! I have a job, I am a Hobo.
I text mesaage a Transient Rom in English, the person wanted 60,000 pesos per month or 2000 per day.
I had a Philippines girl call and the price when down to 15,000 or 500 peso per day.
Americans are saps here in Philippines and the Philippines are always wanting to gouge.
True story that happened last night.
I went back to this Transient House today.
I think there are two types, with security and without. I am not sure how dangerous a normal room in a normal area of Baguio is, I think the majority of Expats live in a gated, guarded areas.
10,000 was her final price she says, hard to trust a person who is walking around in Pajamas like she was drunk last night.
She asked, and this explains all...
- How much did I say the room was? -
Now she is making me pay utilities, I think the fare price for this place is around 5000 per month, and I pay utilities if I could learn to trust them.. (not possible.) Any deposits, add ons, extras and all I hear is horror stories here in this country.
I am told by all the expats, I need to have these deals negotiated by a Philippine person and walk in at the end.
And I truly do not enjoy seeing this side of people, it is one reason I wanted to stop selling real estate, who wants to gander at the ugly side of people.
HoboHideOut.com could be the solution to this scammy way of doing travel room business. I think of policy on HoboHideOut.com as to define a travel room.
1. Can rent for 0-3 months.
2. No deposit.
3. All gas, water, electricity, cable included.
?? I am not sure maybe they must be furnished.
I will soon set policy on HoboHideOut.com. If transient rooms submitted in Baguio or anywhere on the planet were in the site the process would be prequalified and presimplified.
The room above is great, I looked at a dog of a room with Phil for 7500.
The owner is nice. It is the Philippines culture I do no trust.
The transient rooms could always be rented and paying if transparent.
Lagarde area may have the better quality rooms.
Transient house owners keep telling me the number of people who can live in the apartment or house. They will say 12 people in a two bedroom place. I think what happens it this, many people rent a room for 2-3 days and put 12 people in room paying 2000, so the owner gets 6000 for three days. If they luck out, they get this a couple times a month to net out about 12,000.
Kind of like winning the lottery, they get the big paycheck and they have trouble being realistic. I am learning, I think 10,000 is the good number for a decent place, then try to force the owner to pay all the utilities, and not pay a deposit.
Or get an introduction to a person, to go in cold is expensive and prone to scams.
I think text messaging needs to be done in the Tagalog language, if you do in English they just go into greed mode and never stop.
Funny Thread! Filipinos are an easy going people with few obligational necessities. You are SO RIGHT about Filipinas NOT willing to accept staying in a LOCAL accommodation at LOCAL but at the same time I advise guys that doing such is the BEST TEST on their Filipina penpal, chatmate or financee as to their intentions and expectations of their new Kano boyfriends financially.
Andy, You mentioned your stubborness to stay as American as you grew up and as when you left the States 11 years ago in another thread. I found that to be a bit weird or condescending towards the worlds great numer of cultures and people. I always felt exactly the opposite, that for short periods of time while visiting each country and culture I wanted to absorb and experience as much much native food, drink and daily habits as possible. Granted Im not so foolish nor naive to think I can GO NATIVE and BE ACCEPTED by the locals as one of them but even if its an ILLUSION I prefer to pursue such. Otherwise the way you explained your determination to stay AMERICAN makes me think of your travels to 80+ countries as similiar to visiting 80+ ZOOS with a variety of local plant and animal life.
Zoo.. Yes I refuse to become an underdeveloped animal who spits and pisses anywhere.
10,000-12,000 Monthy is the easy to get price or common price for expats to pay for an apartment in Baguio for long term.
I can get 7000-10,000 easy in Bauang just to the coast from Baguio.
Paying untilities makes this situation not acceptable for me, I do not live here. Baguio is full of cheats who want to gouge a person. While Bauang is good.
There are many rooms for one night in great hotels for around 1000-1200 persons per night.
Stop and check at the Bali Hai East behind the VFW. If you are coming from either Angeles City area or from Baguio you say to the driver.
I go to Baw WONG, "Ariana Hotel." Are Ree Ahn Naw
The Bali Hai East, NOT Bali Hai is right to the right of the Ariana.
Truly the Hotel is half the distance between Bauang and San Fernando and is not in either city. Normally the drivers know Ariana Hotel, but if they do not Say Paringao, this is the name of the neighborhood. If this does not work say Footlights, a boom boom bar fine bar just down the street. If all that does not work, they stop in ether Bauang or San Fernando and pay a Trike 100 pesos to take you to the Ariana.
Bottom line, if you stay for weeks, you can get a better prices, there are tons of apartments for rent around 7000 to 10,000 pesos per month here.
The VFW is the American Expat Headquarters, they can help you and just inside the door to the VFW are ads for apartments to rent. I think Green Apartments on the way to Bauang are a good bet.
For Hotels, Australian owned or American owned are easier for negotiations.
The place is not a war zone, all is truly good only 2 days after the Typhoon, the modern stuff is ok, It is the squattes who built in the ravines.