Chic Eats in the Cheap Seats


Hobo TRAVEL TIPS - Expecting Company - Chic Eats in the Cheap Seats
167  January 12,  2005
TIP: Chic Eats in the Cheap Seats
by Janet Groene guest writer for
LOCATION: Thailand
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Bangkok Thailand

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Egypt -  Israel - Eastern Europe - USA - Colombia - Ecuador - etc...
Remember this will change.

Bangkok Thailand

I am expecting visitors this week, a new feeling in my life as Hobo
World Traveler. I am not sure what to feel or think about this, I am
being very careful about this and trying to sort out my feelings about
people visiting. I love people, but the great advantage about travel
is the ability to avoid people. It is not possible for a person to
just pop in an visit, I must open the door.

To open the door to visitors I must agree to stay in one location long
enough for them to come to Hotel. This may sound easy, but it is really
very difficult, most of my meeting with other travelers is 99 percent
ironic coincidence. I happen to be in the same place as the same time.
Yes it is possible for me to go to visit someone that is trapped by
their job, but for them to come visit me is very difficult.

My friend Andrew from India is coming this week, he helps with webby
type words like PHP, Databases, Filters, and phrase like Java Refresh.
I need some empathy and the only way to teach empathy is to lure people
into my life.

I had two choices on this, I go to India or he comes to Thailand. I
finally decided it was cheaper for me and more beneficial for the
site if I could bait and hook Andrew into coming and living the Hobo
life for a couple of weeks. Plus it will good fun for me, Andrew is
I think 20 years old, in University and way to smart for his own britches,
we are going to walk around doing Hobo things and talk about the world
of the Internet. This will be cultural shock of sorts for Andrew as
he ventures away from India and visits Thailand and an American in Thailand.

The internet is not real, it is a slow moving long distance relationship,
and I deal with Andrew at the end of an email message, and on rare
occasions by chat, this will be nice to put a face with the typed words.


Who knows will show, but I actually got a telephone call in my room
from a girl from Slovenia, she was very persistent and adaptive, she
tracked me down by reading my blog, she says she will come from Chang
Mai to Bangkok on Friday or Saturday to visit. This girl is amazing,
I am very curious to visit a person this good at what she does.

Two others blog or newsletter readers are coming in the next few weeks,
I do not hold my breath or plan on these people to show up, when they
tell the exact time, and plane numbers, I then change my plans and
adapt. Up to that point, blah blah blah as I have heard many people
talk about buying tickets, plus the reality is this. Why would you
go visit some Hobo who you read about on the internet? Only an ironic
coincidence or the happenstance of being in the same place at the same
time is a good reason.


I am in Bangkok, Thailand and you probably know more about the big
wave story than me, I can watch the BBC and CNN like you, but really
there is very little new here in Bangkok. In my elevator there is a
vague posture that wants me go to a bank and give money. On the corner
of Khao San Road, diagonally across from the Buddhist Temple and next
to the Police station a missing person exhibit. 8 ˝ by 11 sheets of
paper printed off with rows of computer generated photos of missing
people, then a very huge plastic box with a plea to donate.

How much do I donate or put in the plastic box?

Photos of box to collect Tsunami Donations on Khao San Road

Are you crazy, this box is ran by the Bangkok police I would walk up
to a bum in the street and give them money quicker than I would trust
the Thai police with one Baht. This Tsunami is a windfall for the corrupt
officials of all the countries involved.

There are some request to donate blood, I am very tempted to do this,
and if I could figure out easier how to do this, I would do so, but
so far it is just some vague and unclear request for blood. I am going
to Phuket to look around next week maybe I can give some blood, I do
not think they sell blood to make money.

I am hard pressed to donate to anyone unless they are walking in front
of me and missing a body part, when a leg, arm, or some body part is
missing then I give, sometimes when very old, or those lying around
in the street too crazy to ask for money, but I never give because
of feeling middle class guilt.

Hmmm, what is the solution? Be a tourist, come to Thailand, or better
yet to Sri Lanka and be a good tourist, spend money let the country
earn money. Thailand is 100 percent open for business and I can not
think of any reason to cancel a vacation. I will go visit Phuket to
see first hand next week, and take photos. I am very interested to
see how far inland the wave caused damage.

Life is good.

MTV WROTE ME ... hehehe
Music Television wrote me and want me to announce they are
having a casting call. I think this means they want actors, so
do not get to hung up on the words real and reality. But for those
of you who wish to be famous, and like to travel, maybe this is the
solution, to me a great way to take the P as the Brits say.
P I S S - To make fun of people in not so nice way.
Wind them up...

So if you want real life...
So if you want tell the truth...
I asked them if they wanted to pay and the representative said
the never pay for this type of stuff... hehehe
My personal recommendation is to get a life.
But some of you have personal needs I do not understand...

MTV is looking for young people who are intending to travel within the
next three months and have a personal story to share in an episode of
this True Life: I am on Vacation.

Today’s tip
Chic Eats in the Cheap Seats
by Janet Groene

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 Janet Groene, a freelance writer, and her husband Gordon,
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went to the tropics in their 30-foot sloop. They lived on a
shoestring to eke out their meager savings, expecting to go
back to Gordon's aviation career to feed the kitty. However,
Janet's writings and Gordon's photographs began selling to
major book and magazine publishers. They soon realized
they had a new career that would keep them Away for keeps.
They roamed for 10 years, wintering in their sailboat and
summering in a camper. Their newest books include
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Chic Eats in the Cheap Seats:

by Janet Groene

The cabin attendant was making rounds with drinks (complimentary) and a menu
(greasy sandwich, $5.50; fruit salad, $7.50), but my husband and I were
already scarfing down our homemade sandwiches. "You're smart," the
stewardess winked, handing us each a free, low-fat milk.

"The best part, " I grinned wickedly, "Is that the cheese is aged cheddar
slathered with hazelnut mustard and the bread is homemade from grains we
grind ourselves." Crisp apples completed our menu. You don't have to be a
tightwad to prefer picnicking, grazing and brown bagging to the
uncertainties of travel meals. We are picky about cleanliness, food quality,
and unnecessary salt, sugar and fat. If we can also save money by bringing
our own food, so much the better.

I once met a gutsy, physically challenged, single lady who was already in
her 60s when she traveled alone to Southeast Asia in the 1950s. She told me
she lived for days on the nuts and raisins she always carried with her. From
a Native American who was studying the old ways, I learned about pemmican
and dried berries. I read tales of early America, when traveling merchants
were called "the egg eaters" by puzzled country folks who didn't realize
these Jews were carrying one of the few provisions they could keep kosher.

There's nothing new about packing nutritional heat, so why do today's
travelers spend so much money to eat so badly?

Pack It In

To pack the most nutritional punch in the smallest bag, go for (1) highest
food value per ounce and per centimeter, (2) ease of eating on the go, and
(3) cast-iron portability. A hard-boiled egg contains a complete feast of
protein and minerals. One apple provides fiber plus vitamins galore. A
peanut butter sandwich on whole-grain bread will stick to the ribs for
hours. Any of the above can take a beating and still be edible. And you don'
t need utensils.

Get started by making your own gorp. Most commercial trail mixes and granola
are high in salt (salted nuts and seeds), sugar (honey, marshmallows, brown
sugar) and fat (cashews, macadamias, coconut, oils, chocolate bits). To make
your own, throw only good stuff into small, plastic snack bags. They fit in
a pocket and the gorp keeps for weeks.

Read labels to make sure you aren't getting hidden fats and sugars. Many
"health" cereals and dried fruits are loaded with sugar. Since grains come
first on the food pyramid, use a mix that is 2/3 no-sugar cereals such as
puffed rice or wheat and/or bite-size shredded wheat. Then add dried fruit
for sweet contrast and natural nuts, such as almonds, for fat and protein.

From gorp work up to sandwiches and even hot meals that can be hustled up in
a hotel room. Remember the old dorm-room trick of sealing a cheese sandwich
in foil and ironing it until it's toasted? And starving artists who lived on
condensed soup cooked in an electric coffee pot? Or the truck driver who
wraps pot roast in foil and roasts it on his engine? I carry a 110/220V coil
heater and a cup everywhere. With hot water I can make bouillon, instant
soups and meals, coffee, tea, and cocoa. Many motel rooms today have a
microwave, small fridge and coffeemaker. With that much gear, a cunning cook
could produce a banquet!

Cheap Drinks Too

A family of four can easily chug down $10 to $20 a day in bottled and
take-out drinks. Instead, mix up powered drinks. Among supermarket choices
are Crystal Lite, Kool-Aid, and regular or sugar-free Tang. Health food
stores sell a powdered, pure fruit drink mix called Emergen-C. It comes in
one-serving packets in a dozen fruit flavors and is good for breakfast or as
a mixer for rum drinks. (Carrying your own cocktail makings is the biggest
money saver of all.)

In the air where drinks are free, opt for milk or juice instead of
nutritionally bankrupt pop or coffee. You can also order a cup of hot water.
Then make your own instant soup or herbal tea. Throughout the developed
world travelers find free, potable water at faucets and drinking fountains
(although I wouldn't drink from a bathroom tap on an airliner). All you need
is a refillable bottle to keep a supply of life's most essential beverage.
In less developed countries, I buy bottled water where possible and, where
necessary, carry a portable treatment device.

Breakfast of (Cheap) Champions

Most hotel rooms now provide in-room coffeemakers, so it's easy to make a
complete hot breakfast to eat in your pj's. For a main course, make instant
oatmeal, the kind that comes in its own container, with hot water from the
coffeemaker. Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, washed down with a hot
beverage, make a satisfying breakfast too, especially if they're made with
grainy bread, real peanut butter and all-fruit jam. If you each carry a
grapefruit spoon, it's easy to eat grapefruit, oranges, kiwi and melons

If you're traveling with an ice chest and can get fresh ice each day, you
can carry a complete pantry. Shop along the way for fresh fruit, milk,
cereal, and other supplies. Even in backpack or suitcase travel, however, it
's easy to pack a camping-style knife, fork, and spoon set. Just don't put
them in airline carry-ons.

Lunch Ploys

Eateries at some attractions are part of the fun and should not be missed.
The Marx Brothers Cafe at the Anchorage Museum of History and Art is one
example. But many others are noisy, overcrowded tourist traps with terrible
food at terrific prices. Ever since getting caught in a food fight during
some kid's birthday party at a zoo restaurant, we have always had a Plan B.
Many of our most romantic picnics have been eaten on museum steps or under
shade trees outside some tourist attraction. We buy milk or juice at the
snack center, find just the right picnic spot, then delve into our daypacks
for crackers, cheese, cold rice balls, baby carrots, fruit and such.

One caveat. While some attractions and events welcome picnickers and provide
pleasant eating areas for them, others forbid visitors to bring coolers,
backpacks or food.. Rules can be complex. For example, plastics may be
permitted but not glass containers. Or drinks are allowed but no alcohol.
Movie theater owners don't want you eating anything you haven't bought from
the concession stand. When in doubt, call ahead.

About the Author

Janet Groene is the author of books on camp and galley cookery, a dozen
travel guides, and Fantastic Discounts & Deals for Anyone Over 50 (Cold
Spring Press). Contact her at

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Portable Provisioning

Foods that literally go a long way include:


Bouillon cubes, instant soup, miso

Bread and butter sandwiches (you can always add other fillings if something
turns up)

Carrot, celery or cucumber sticks, radishes, olives, pickles

Cheese (individual wedges, strings, slices)

Cocoa mix, regular or sugar-free

Dried fruits, nuts

Emergen-C drink mixes

Homemade gorp

Jerky is meaty, filling and compact but watch the sodium

Peanut butter, preferably the real thing containing just peanuts and salt

Rye crackers that contain only rye meal and salt

Tea bags, coffee, sugar or sugar substitute packets, creamer packets

Tuna in individual cans with pull tops

Don't bring:

Anything that needs to be peeled or cut up with a knife. You won't have one
in the air.

Bananas or any other fruit that bruises easily

Commercial snack packs that are high in sodium and fat

Drink packs that are not 100% juice. "All natural" may mean high-fructose
corn syrup with artificial color and flavor

Fruit leather may be heavily sugared and it sticks to the teeth

Glass containers are heavy and are a travel hazard

Sandwiches with creamy fillings that could go bad

Stinky foods (sardine and onion sandwiches) that could gross out other
passengers in a tightly-packed plane or bus.

About Milk

Milk is a must for kids and a wholesome drink for adults too. However, it's
one of the trickiest foods to carry. UHT (shelf-stable) milk comes in quarts
and individual sippy cartons. It has a slightly cooked taste, but improves
with chilling. For lightweight travel, we carry non-fat powdered milk. It
takes some getting used to but loses that chalky taste if you let it steep
about three hours. If you can also chill it, so much the better. If you're
not used to skim milk, try Milkman brand powdered milk. It's sold in U.S.
supermarkets and has butterfat content. Each packet makes one quart.
Individual cartons of yogurt and cottage cheese are easy eating and are good
sources of daily calcium.



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as an experienced traveler.

If you are find yourself looking in the mirror
the you probably are not in a Traveler Hotel.
Traveler Hotels have bad mirrors and no light,
so you must be a tourist.




I really enjoy your site! I am not nearly as experienced as a traveler
but I aspire to be. I am going backpacking in Europe for 2 weeks this
summer as I will have graduated college. I wish I could travel longer
but I have too many debts and responsibilities here at home. I was
curious, how do you afford to travel for so long? I am sure you get
revenue from XXXX ads and the like, but is it enough? I am also writing
my own budget travel site which will focus on content and helping to
strengthen the community of travelers worldwide. I hope to improve
it as time progresses and make it become a good resource for everyone.
I will contact you once more when it goes live so I can get your opinion
of the site. I will be in Europe from May 28 to June 12, 2005 and moving
around a lot. If you are in the area at the time maybe we can meet
up and I can buy you a beer or something. I like reading your site
and I have signed up for your newsletter as well. Happy trails!


Robert B
Atlanta, GA USA

I have made money in many ways.
But as you stated I am making money with the CONTEXTUAL advertising.

I earn PLENTY of dollars per month now, and have a 1.3 gig site of photos
and such. It is now somewhere over the rainbow for me...
But plenty enough to live here or in Europe, America, etc.

I sort of doubt you will make this money because you are looking or
I feel you are looking at your site as an event and not a evolving site.

Your site should alway be up and a work always in change or under construction.

A site that has a date worry me, unless you are maybe paying 400 dollars
for a Public Relations company to release the site, or you are suddenly going
to put a gig of information on the site. takes about six weeks to index a site, so when you publish
a site you have a minimal of six week wait.

Get it up, and keep working. Work is the secret to the internet.
You can obviously have a terrible site and make money.

Many of the biggest travel sites are worthless or scams in my mind
and people buy from them every day.

But a site is about traffic, not quality. A good quality site and they will return.
One day they may or could write about in an offline
media like New York Time or People Magazine, etc, and on this
day my site will suddenly double or triple in size.

I am presently very worried about this and trying to get the hosting
that would handle maybe 50,000 people in one day or more
and then I will make more than plenty on that day.

Strange words to learn are load balancing and techy words.

Websites evolve they are not made,
and they are never completed.

Andy on Koh Mak Thailand


Hi Andy;

I was searching for information about Chile and found your site on Google.

I was wondering if you have been to southern Chile and if you have
any logs for that area. I am thinking of going to Valdivia to try to
learn about the people there and learn Spanish. I know they don't talk
normal Spanish, but that's OK.

I used to be a backpacker in Europe several summers in the 80's, and
married a German woman and went to the University in the Netherlands
and now I am back home in Michigan working. Its pretty boring but I'm
trying to get a pension. We were back in Europe last winter and I didn't
like at all anymore. I need a new place to go where the people are
friendly and happy. And hopefully where it is warm when the blizzards
hit Michigan.

I have a website about traveling by sailboat. My thing is to have the
best collection of links to homepages of people who have done a trip
on a boat. Check it out:

I also have Google Adsense and it is paying pretty good, I could probably
travel on the Adsense money! But I have a wife and a house so my traveling
days are probably over.

Anyway, I am looking for a relatively safe place to go to learn Spanish
and I heard that the people in Chile are friendly. So I was thinking
of going there.

Have a good one!


I would say the two worst places in the world to study Spanish
are Barcelona, Spain and Chile as neither one speaks a common
Spanish, although Chile is better than Barcelona.

I only have newsletters on Chile as my blog is only a couple of
years old, and even the newsletters are becoming old.

I would recommend you go to Ecuador or Peru as Chile is not
as warm and friendly as you would think, plus not that warm.
The more primitive countries are friendlier, although travel agents
and tourist always recommend the modern countries, like a big
city like Santiago or Buenos Aires with modern makes them
friendly. These countries are modern and cost more, not really
that interesting, plus the cost of living is double of Ecuador and

I personally think wondering around or nomadic travel is better
than this western idea of living somewhere. That is some
type of make a appreciation on land idea and not a quality
of life idea. But start cheap and move to the more expensive
countries always my advice.
The idea of collecting pages of people that have done trips
is perfect, I am for sure going to look at this. I am writing this
offline so I must send the link back to the page and look at
it when I go online.

Thanks and enjoy, really you do not have to do anything
like studying or reading to enjoy life, sort of middle class
or protestant work ethic.

Andy in Koh Mak Thailand


Hi andy,
 I'll keep this quick so you're internet bill isn't skyrocket due to
me rambling on... I've found a great site that has many suggestions
for making your own gear which I think you might like ( if you don't
know it already that is )...
p.s. I think you're site is great, the other 'travel blogs' are too
predictable, whenever I think that I have read everything on your site
I find something new that i must of missed
safe travels
Ibiza, Spain and London, England
here it is mate


I always wonder why the best are the most considerate.
This is an excellent link to send me and I thank you.

If you notice or have read my tips for a long time you know
I do not normally recommend the expensive and complicated
way to travel. I try to keep it simple and buy my gear off the
shelf. Strange as it may seem... hehehe there really are no gear
shop worth a darn in most countries and mostly toys.


This is an interesting word, and it amazes me that a person
could have a travel blog and be predictable but it is possible.
To me a log of my life is suppose to be a log of my life.
I travel and I tell you what happens, or I can travel and make
it appear either more special than it really is, or I can make it
up as I go. I try my best to not edit my thoughts. Thoughts and feeling
are real, they are something precious. To deny or change them
is to have a life defined that I think people want, and not my life.

I placed this link on my gear page:



I was hoping that you might offer me some advice. I have a lot of points
with Hilton (we are not rich, we just travel for business and accumulate
the points for free stays) and we want to take a free photo Safari in Kenya
for 6 nights in September. We would like advice for the air portion of our
travels. I was thinking that we would purchase inexpensive air from LAX to
London, and then buy a London to Nairobi ticket. Is this the best way to
go? I think it costs more to buy a ticket from LAX to Nairobi as a
package. I think it is cheaper to do the trip the way I just mentioned.

Thanks in advance,
Andrew B - San Juan Capistrano, California.

P.S. - I am jealous that you get to travel so much, how do you do it?

Andrew B


I think LAX is Los Angeles International Airport.
If not this is really a mess, ... aagh Acronyms, abbreviations my nemesis.

Truthfully I do not know the best path.
Kenya is not a traveler path, but more or a tourist path, so
very little information from the road. But to me you seem to be
going the wrong direction, but maybe tickets are cheap to London
from Los Angeles so I do not know.

Some of my rules of thumb.
600 - 700 U.S. Dollars should get me anywhere on the planet
by plane, so round trip should not cost more than 1200 U.S.
London is no longer a cheap place to fly from... to yes.
Check for fare to Kenya.

Do not worry that they say student fare! They sell to anyone.

My instinct or the way I would go, unless I wanted to see London
would be to take
to Bangkok.
Go to the back side of Khao San Road and talk with Jaroan
and only Jaroan, because he constructs these type of tickets.
He is from Amsterdam and speaks good English.

   1. Jaroan Baristra of Nat Tours and Travels - Located directly
behind the D&D Hotel on Khao San Road on the alley, he is not
on Khao San Road
nattourtravel03  ATDELETE

   2. Mr. Joe - Southeast Travel - Go to Seven Eleven in the middle
of Khao San road and the closest one to D&D Hotel - Look for yellow
sign and down small alley.
travelsouth_east  ATDELTED

But once you get in Bangkok you need to get the ticket all the way
home or you will run into a money pit by trying to make your
own ticket unless you have lots of time.

NOTE, that it is hard to believe a person that does Hilton Points
is going to stomach or feel comfortable on a backpacker trip.
It would take me two months for this trip and I would spend
15 dollars per day on living expense and 1200 on plane if
I was flying from Los Angeles.

This page has all my Airfare Notes:

Good luck.
Andy in Koh Mak Thailand


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