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ISSUE:  122
DATE:  September 2, 2003
TITLE: Hobo TRAVEL TIPS - Mass Grave - Screw the Guidebooks.
TIP:  How to screw the guidebooks?
LOCATION:  Baghdad, Iraq


Hobo TRAVEL TIPS - Mass Grave - Screw the Guidebooks.
Issue 122 Hobotraveler.com – September 2,  2003
A Hobo trip around the world. Year 7
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~ HOBO STEW (A Dish of Meat and Vegetables)
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       North of Babylon or Hila
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Truly NOT edited this week. Not enough time.

Graves Starts


~ HOBO STEW (A Dish of Meat and Vegetables)


This is a dangerous place.
At least that is what they say and they
are probably correct.

But all in all, It is just like most places I go.
There is that random bad luck chance
I will die for being the wrong place at the
wrong time.

I have started to get braver as each dangerous
place is visited. After you get here you say
to yourself. Hmmm it's not that bad.

I ask Peter,
"Do you feel in Danger?"

I live by trusting my instincts and feelings.
The soldiers and reporters are out their with
body guards, money, guns, and lawyers.

They keep getting killed and we get a
very cheap tour of Iraq. It is necessary the Soldiers
walk around and be brave so the people of Iraq
know someone to protecting them.
I think there is something about God protecting
fools. That must apply to the reporters.

This newsletter is trying to interfere with my fun.

I have not seen any dead bodies or blood in this
country so stop it before you start whining and
writing emails. Iraq to me appears rich.
The fun is meeting the Iraqi people, and in a
mischievous way making fun of the reporters.

But I want to leave for Basra. I have about
300 photos this week I am publishing for
you armchair travelers. Sit back and I hope
you have a fast connection.

I have been to the city of Babylon.
Saw a mass gravesite.
Rode around with a very nice Iraqi Taxi man and
got to meet his family, and enter his home.
Had way to many people with guns walking
around and had the Iraqi people drive me crazy
wanting their photos taken. This is a country
that loves their picture taken.

Lots of fun and stupid things.
Got to make fun of a man yesterday that called
himself a Backpacker and told us about the
Iraqi people. He as best we can tell only knows
the pretty girl in the Internet cafe at the Palestine
Hotel and she is Iraqi. But this is too stupid.

He is paying 30 dollars for 1/2 day taxi and
living in the Palestine. He is not a backpacker.
He is a wanna be reporter or book writer.
Too much fun. I told him. Be sure and take one day and
leave the resort to see some people of Iraq.
He assures me he will. I think he lies.
Why would he do that, he already knows what
they think like the rest of the reporters.
We are paying 25 dollars for a full day in taxi.

I am with the CIA. No I am with Peter still.
A good guy for the most part. His haircut is
growing on me, and I am not worried so much.
That feeling of walking around and waiting for
a bullet to enter the back of my head is leaving or
becoming further and further apart.

So I am planning a trip to Basra by Train.
I will go look at that port where they first brought
in food, then return by Bus. It may be possible to
go most of the distance of the country in a very hot
and fun train. I think the cost is 1 dollar.
That is my type of budget. I will figure out the path
out of the country and say goodbye.
(Change of plans. Stop at Najaf on return trip)

You wonder why a person would take a train in Iraq.
Sort of a Hobo thing to do really, but in the end it
will be a way to talk and live with the real people of
Iraq. It is not possible on a bus or train to avoid

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- North of Babylon or Hila

I could speculated as to why this grave exist.
But that would be unfair. I can just witness to the fact
that the gravesite exist. I personally saw what appears
to be new small shallow looking graves that were taken
from a mass grave.

The two boys that were watching or assisting me and
Peter in looking at the graves stated to our driver that
there was 760 graves here without names. I saw about
that many I would guess. It would take a long time to count
to see if that number is accurate. But it must be close,
I am not sure. They boys told the Taxi driver that there
was 2700 with names. These graves are not here. I did not see
that many graves. So as stated to the driver, Peter, and
to me in a very difficult interpretation that we was at a
place of
760 without names.
2700 with name.

What I saw was a lot of graves. I did not see any pieces
of bone, or flesh, or anything positive that said 100 percent
that there is a body in the grave. My hearsay story told
to me by Tom Bucci a civil affairs soldiers for the USA is
that they dug the bodies up, took the clothes off the bodies,
placed the body in the graves, and then placed the clothes
on top of the grave so that family members could try to identify
the clothes and claim the body parts. This looks true.

They placed lots of the clothes in torn plastic bags.
The bags were in very bad condition. I do not know why
there were plastic bags. This was an organized burial
done that I seen, but the clothes were in very bad
condition and look to be rotten. In some places it smelled
like the piss or rotten smell of maybe what you be in
a tramp shed area of cows that were waiting to be
milked with layer upon layer of fresh and soiled straw.
When you start to pitch the straw away to haul away
the lower levels of straw you get  to weeks or months old
wet straw that is wet softer and sometimes a moldy looking straw.
The clothes smells like this type of straw. The weather
here is extremely dry. No moisture whatsoever.

I did not see blood or obvious blood. It would
be hard to tell. I did not want to be disrespectful
to the clothes or the bodies and disrupt the piles
of clothes. Each pile of clothes felt like a person.
It was not just a pile of clothes to me, but a person
that stopped living in these clothes and was placed
here. I was not here to witness the deaths. I only
in the end saw mounds of dry blackish dirt piles
with clothes on top.

Around the perimeter was a moat with water inside
that smelled like urine. There looked to be lime.
I have no idea what this is, or why they did it this
way. Outside the moat were the curled rows of that
nasty razor blade barbed wire that the army uses.
Not the simple type for cows. The serious type for
used to keep people away from property.

The two boys did not speak any English. Look like
they were Muslim because of their long shirt type
clothes. But I do not know the local area customs.
I did not see any prayer beads that would for sure
indicate the Muslim religion. This is only important
because I believe that no Muslim would help a Christian,
and no Christian would help a Muslim person in this
area of the world willingly. The are very racist, or
cruel in their interpretation of people different.
These two boys that watched the site were kind.
But who knows what religion for sure. 95 percent
sure Islamic.

There were two books for us to register or sign.
Most of the names in the book were written in Arabic.
There was maybe 30 names written in Latin letters.
The majority were USA Marines, and others like the
state department. I was crying and shaken at this
point, and could not, or would not focus on the books.

I saw one name of a Journalist. That said Newsday
of the UK. I think it is in the photo of the books.
Peter made a snide remark about me putting my
webpage address Hobotraveler.com on the page.
He said,
"Getting a plug for the page."
I said,
"Some things are more important then money,"
He knows that I took lots of digital photos and
that I have a webpage where I can place them all.
I explained the families could maybe want to see
the photos or contact me. This is the only way I have
to tell them how.

I was somewhat crying and he stops. I think he
for a second stopped being jaded. This place was
serious and sad. Peter did not cry or the driver.
But I am a somewhat lackadaisical Christian
with a lot more faith then not,  so I feel that I feel their
souls. Peter is the typical traveler. A good and much
better then most, but proud of saying he is an
atheist. He is not a bad man. He is a good man.
But a normal traveler. I am not normal. I believe
in family, friends, and think the USA does more
good then bad. Basically a solution and not the
problem. While most travelers and Peter include
are full of snide remarks about the USA looking
for the weakness to say the strong are bad.
A lot of that was my opinion, but I feel correct.

Moral dilemma after the fact of visiting this gravesite
was is that I am positive that if it rains, or the wind blows
hard these marked and number graves will be just
a flat area with strewn clothes. There was some of
the graves with numbers in Arabic. They would take
a clump of dried dirt and place on the numbered paper
to hold it down. If it rains all this is gone.

So I have been thinking. What is the solution?
One solution was to take my little digital camera
that takes about 126 photos and my computer to the
site. It would take about 5 time of taking photos to
record a picture of all the graves. I would empty
the camera into my computer and repeat till I have
a photo of all the graves. This I could place on
my page as normal and the same as normal.
Just is there would be a lot more then normal.

I am not going to do this. I was going to do this.
But I do not know. Peter is supportive on this in a
strange way. I think he looks at me and knows I am
serious so would help now, but we are not young
and we are not boys. I am 47 and he is 42.
We are not the young stupid traveler no more.
We are the older seasoned traveler.

We have discussed doing this. Mainly because
of the time  and money involved. This would take a day.
Cost about 25 dollars for the taxi. 5 dollars
for the internet time and would in total take me
about 14 hours of labor. This is not fun. We did not
come here to save the world. We came here to see
the world.

But in the end both of us agree that no one cares.
I do things I think need to be done, place on the website
like the electrical problem here and some people are
nice. I feel strong about the electrical problem and the
article I wrote about this. I know that if handled wrong
it is guaranteed soldiers will die for that. I write serious
and try to get support. No one does anything and a person
will die for that. These people are dead. They will not
get more dead. It is just people dead and buried.

I can look out my window at a two 5 star hotels.
The Palestine and the Sheraton. It is not my job.
I think these thousands of reporters are a@#holes.
Afraid to leave their rooms while me and Peter and
walk around talking to real people.

I don't know what to do. Not that important.
Just a bunch of dead Iraqi people.
I do feel like tracking down a few of them Human
shields and the save the world tree huggers and
get them over here. Place their faces in these
graves and kick their a@#$s. Where are you?
Why are you not screaming about this?
Do you only scream at George W. Bush
and Tony Blair? This is a dead person with a family
that has no one to scream for them.

Those tree hugger hate their fathers, their mothers
and their school teachers. They sit around smoking
a joint screaming about how the world is unjust to
them and the little people of the world.

I thought this place would have lots of NGOs,
tree huggers, and hippie chic's. Just a bunch of
good for nothing reporters staying in 5 star hotels,
driving around in Toyota Land Cruisers trying to
be famous and telling lies by interference.

Me an Peter roaming around free as birds
having people give us Tea, and I do not like Tea.

I wish I could say something to get the tree huggers
and the world to care. Even the Iraqi people do not
care, so why should I?

I keep remembering though.
I picked up a plastic bag and said,
"This is one person Peter."
I was holding a my father, your father, and
someone's fathers bag of clothes.

Somewhere over the rainbow there is
a child that wonders where his father is?
It hurts. What if it was my father?

Directions on how to go there? North of Hila and Babylon.

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How to pay less.

1. It is cheaper to copy the guidebook
then to buy the book. Get it from the library
and do this, or borrow one.

2. Check out a guidebook from a library
and keep renewing it online at the internet
cafe until you return home.
(Thanks to Peter of the UK.)

3. Realized a good map is maybe more

4. Travel with a person that is rich.
Get them to read and tell you everything.
This is one of my best ways or preferred.

5. Borrow one at every hostel and take notes.
Works very well in the really busy countries
like Thailand and Guatemala.

This is all legal.

I am trying to be especially lazy this week.
So that is all. But trust me. For the price of
one guidebook you can live in Thailand
or Guatemala for 1 month. That is big
Quetzal or Baht.

Just another day in Paradise!
Be a Hobo, and leave your mark.

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As always, these are suggestions. Please realize I am
giving guidance, and there are always other opinions.
“One mans paradise, is another mans hell”
This way we do not all go to the same place.

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